Nate is interviewed by John Dodson in his home on November 29, 1999.
This interview is an edited version of work done as part of a cultural attachment study conducted by Dr. Melinda Wagner of Radford University. The study was part of an effort by the people and government of Bland County to fight the location of an AEP 765 Kv power line through the County.
John: Im interviewing Nate Charleton and its November 29, 1999. Nate could you give me your birthday?
Nate: July 12, 1918
John: Ok, and whats your occupation?
Nate: Im I aint got no occupation. Im retired.
John: Youre retired. Thats the best kind of occupation.
John: How long have you lived here?
Nate: All my life.
John: Ok, um, now have you ever lived away from here for a short period of time or
Nate: I did in the army.
when you were serving, when you were in the army?
Nate: And I worked on the railroad I stayed away
but this has been my home all my life.
John: Alright, why did you decide to, to move back when you were livin away?
Nate: I wasnt livin away I was just, I was in the army, and on the railroad we had camp cars
we stayed in through the weekday worked there and stayed through the week and then we come home on the weekend.
John: Ok, so you all, this is really always been your home.
The Charlton and the Sea Family
John: How did your family come to get this land?
Nate: I dont know. Daddy said he paid fifty cents a day. Fifty cent an acre for this land. Thats what he said.
John: Uh-h do you know who he bought it from?
Nate: No, I dont, unless it was that man over there. I dont know. Johnny Sea.
John: Ok, it was, it was, it was a Sea
you bought it from?
John: Ok, um, now he used, Sea used to live across the road here?
John: Ok, the house is gone I guess, now isnt it?
Nate: Yeah, its gone. Its a graveyard. They bought that and my people, Hogan Ferguson bought that from the Seas. Sea use to own all this around through here I guess.
John: Whatever happened to the Seas? Do you know?
Nate: They died.
John: They just died?
Nate: Yeah, hes buried up on the hill.
John: He is?
Nate: Yeah, he was daddys brother-in-law.
Nate: He was married to Daddys sister.
John: Ok. Alright, I didnt know that.
John: Alright. Thats good to know. Ok, um, so your father was the first generation to live here? But didnt, didnt your grandfather live here too some?
Nate: My grandfather, he stayed down there next to the church. He never did have a home.
Nate: He just from one place to another.
John: Alright. Do you know where, do you know where your, where your grandfather was from or, I mean whered they move, where they lived before they moved here or
Nate: We lived over
where he was raised?
Nate: He stayed with white folks all the time and he, he lived down there next to Nates and Frankies place. They had a house down there.
Nate: Then he, after he left from down there his son-in-law bought this here lot down here where the church is at.
Nate: He come there and thats where he died.
John: Alright, so he lived, he lived there with your, with his,
Nate: No, he stayed by himself even when remarried.
Nate: Yeah, he remarried. He stayed there by hisself when I wadnt down there with him. Granddaddy. Yeah.
John: Yeah, your granddaddy.
John: Ok, um, how many members of your family life nearby?
Nate: How many members
was here? Eight. Which uh
John: How many live around here now?
Nate: Lets see sister and brother, Vylee, Eveline, myself.
John: Ok, and you got nephews and
Nate: Yeah, they out there.
The Charlton Land
John: Um, alright, now Im gonna ask you some questions to describe the land, ok? Now, if youre going to show me your place, alright, where would take me and what would you show me? Alright? Or whats your favorite spot on your familys land here?
Nate: Well, we already got it. Been run off. Thats my oldest brother, this is my sister right here, and mine comes right up the side there, and my sister Sadies right out there, and then Vylee and Gladys is up on the upper end. Its
been run off.
John: Ok, so you had it surveyed?
John: Well, whats your, what is your favorite, whats your favorite place on this, um, on, on your land here?
Nate: The one I got.
Nate: Place I got.
John: Yeah, well, when you were a boy and you were growing up here, did you have, have places, favorite places you liked to go and play, or
Nate: Yeah, oh, yeah, all up and down the road.
Nate: But it, it wouldnt be around here. We didnt go no places too much and, like the boys go now, see then people didnt allow it, wed go down at the schoolhouse and play by the schoolhouse right down there.
Nate: You go down there and play.
The Rocky House and the Low Gap
John: Um, if I were new in the county and I had seen your place, Ive been up here, and, and I wanted to see some of the rest of the, of the, of, of Bland County, where would you take me?
Nate: Well, if you just wanna be sightseeing
take you right back up there at that rock, what we call a rockhouse, its a big cave right back up there, and then wed go up here and go up that road, get on top of the mountain, if the leaves is off, I can show you the courthouse, jailhouse over there in Princeton, I can show you, Augusta and I can show you
John: You can see all
and the train, right on top of the mountain.
Nate: Thats where we use to go to take people when you got sick. Carry em across there.
John: Carry em across that mountain?
Nate: Yeah, and take em to Princeton.
John: To Prince, have to
Nate: Because we had to go.
go all the way to Princeton.
Nate: Yes, the only way to get there.
Nate: Yeah, carry em across, now there was one man, he died up there on that mountain.
Nate: Yeah. We carried this white lady, no, we didnt we carried her across the mountain. They had a way out from in here then, but Fred Saunders daddy, we carried him across that mountain.
John: Ok, Pal?
Nate: Yeah, and a schoolteacher, we use to have down here she was teaching school.
Nate: Carried her across there.
John: They, they was a, a stretcher or something they would carry em?
Nate: They had a little old cart.
Nate: A little ole something like, little old bed.
Nate: Yeah, theyd put em in there and four men would get on each side and carry em across it. That was the only thing we had.
John: I bet that was it, well tell me about the rock house up there. What
Nate: Well, it
what, what exactly is that?
Nate: Its just a big cave back in there. Sand
top. Its smooth, sandtop.
Nate: I guess you could get bout three or four jeeps back in there, just about big as this here.
John: Yeah, did yall use to go up there when you were young?
Nate: Yeah, I aint been up there, Im 82 and I aint been there but about twice cause I aint seen nothing in it.
Nate: I was up there once, dogs were up there treed and I thought they were digging out chestnuts, and there was acorns and I run up there and knocked a hole in my head. I aint wanted to go up there.
John and Nate: Ha, ha, ha
Pond Mountain and the Pland Crash
John: Ok, um, if you had a day when you could do anything you wanted to and nothing needed to get done, where would you go and how would you describe this place to someone who can go there? How do, you know, how do you spend your time back here on your own?
Nate: Well, if I wanted to go someplace anytime, in the daylight, Id go back yonder to the head of the creek where I use to work.
John: Ok, well tell me about that.
Nate: I use to go back there, I used to work with Jessie Pruney, back there and around the ridges back there you can look and see down and over in, in, Glenlynn.
John: Ok, is that, that, is that past the, um, the, the pond up there?
Nate: Its on this side of the pond. It road goes on this side. Thats a good place to go to cause you can go up this here road where that airplane fell
and you go back there. They, they say you can see 5 states, but you cant see nothing but the mountains, but they said, they got a big, rock back there with, something in it and its against the law to, to bother it, where people put back there.
John: Do you remember when that, when the airplane crashed?
Nate: I was in the army.
John: So that was during the
Nate: During the war.
during the war.
Nate: They brought it up down this a way.
John: Yeah thats where
Nate: I was up there, I was here when the little one fell, it was a little one fell back there, and its men got out of it and walked.
John: Oh, did he?
Nate: Walked down Wolf Creek, yeah. I seen people going back there, they didnt tell what would happen, and they brought it out down there, you know, them little ole bitty called aviator planes
Nate: Two wanted to ride in.
John: How long ago was that?
Nate: That there was back in forty something two.
Nate: And it was a small plane.
*note:There was a large plane that crashed at the head of Dry Fork during WWII. There was a small plane that crashed later.
Working on the Railroad
John: Right, so you just worked back there logging, or work at a saw mill, or
Nate: Yeah, cutting timber. Cut props and logs too.
John: Yeah. Thats some work.
John: Um, when you were working, before you retired, I guess you did commute to work when you were working on the railroad didnt you?
John: How, how far off would ya, how far would yall go on jobs?
Nate: We go to, I worked in Portsmouth for awhile and dips away in Norfolk for awhile, I mean Norfolk
John and Nate: Virginia
John: Youd be that, youd go that, youd be gone all week and
John: Now, you would, you would live in a car on the train?
they had cars and, they would board it up to make bunk beds. Two, one on the bottom and one on top over there, same thing here lets see, two, four, six, eight stay in one car. Big ole stove. It was fun.
John: And how would, how would they do to feed yall?
Nate: They had a camp car, they had a car with, dining, with tables in it
and, they had a cook that was, that was a, a kitchen, commissary at one of the doors.
John: And it was pretty good, um, pretty good food?
Nate: Yeah, bla, bla, black down they, a white paid more than a black cause they got better food, they left us some, if we wanted, theyd feed us the same as they fed them but, some of em didnt want it. They said they wanted to eat what theyd been eating. Well, theyd give it to, the, the white would eat beans, potatoes, stuff like that, but it, it just fixed different didnt even have no eggs. Theyd have eggs for breakfast, ham, something like that, but now dinner and stuff they eat the same we eat.
John: Well, what would yall have for breakfast?
Nate: Wed have, sometimes bacon and fried potatoes.
Making a Garden
John: Yeah, alright, how much time do you spend caring for your land, here? I mean do you have a garden
John: What, what kind a, what kind of things do you grow in your garden, Nate?
Nate: Anything that I can grow. Beans, biggest thing, beans, potatoes, cabbage, onion, I dont grow too many, much peas, cause then my sister there dont like it. I like em though.
Nate: Beets, them people up here been wanting to come from everywhere and wanting to know who is that got, raise them beets. I guess we all do em just about.
John: Alright. Um, so what do you do with all, everything you grow in your garden? I guess, you, like you say, you trade it to people and you give it to people.
Nate: I give it. I dont sell nothing.
Nate: I wouldnt, I turned down a lot of money and then yet, a guy come up here and ask me did sell him something, I said, "Im not gonna sell you nothing," I said, "I might give it to you," I said, "Now, if you wanna donate me something for it, sure." I said, "You can do that." Frankies down the road, Eveline, Frankie live right down there in that big white house.
Nate: They got a new house down there now. She give me 25 dollars for a bushel of beans. Evelyn give me, Nina, Naktoe lady give me 25 dollars. I turned in a lot of money.
Nate: One come down here and just dumped his pockets, said, "I dont know how much change this is," said, "you can have it." I got food in there now stacked from the floor to the top, in there, you can see right now.
John: That you canned?
John: And so, all the money you got you, you gave it to the church?
John: Yeah. Um, do you have any favorite stories that you would like to tell?
John: Oh, youve got some stories now.
John: Well, let me ask you about something. Ive been, Ive been getting some stories, do you remember when there was a little bit of moonshining up here?
Nate: (laughs) Yeah, I remember that.
John: Do you?
John: Well, where, I mean Ive heard an awful lot. I just, I mean, do you remember well what do, do you remember when they, when they use to, someone told me they had a community, had two stills, one was a community still and one was, one for this guy in Bluefield or Princeton or do you remember anything about that?
Nate: Yeah, I made liquor for him.
John: Did you work for him?
Nate: Sure. Stayed in the mountains, me and a boy called Arch Saunders. Right back yonder on that mountain.
Nate: Arch Saunders.
John: Ok, this, would this be Pals brother?
Nate: Thats Pals uncle
John: Oh, ok
Nate: ...He aint been very long died.
Nate: Yeah. Made liquor for him. Yeah.
John: You did? And yall, well tell, where, where about, whereabouts was it up there?
Nate: Right up around that mountain up there. He had a still was as big as a, a pickup truck. About as big as a bed on a big pickup truck, and the you know anything about liquor?
John: I know a little bit.
Nate: Well, he had a, he had a 60 gallon barrel for a dumper, for a cap. You know how big it was?
John: Thats pretty big.
Nate: Yeah, I got down inside of it and cleaned it out. I could run a hundred-gallon in the day, and my buddy would take over at night. He run it a hundred at night.
John: So, it ran, it ran continuously?
Nate: Yeah, oh yeah, keeps fire under it.
Nate: Seal it up so it wont lose no steam. He had a cream separator at, for a worm, the worm go around and around.
Nate: Thats how big it was, and you know how much it could pour out the liquor.
John: It was pretty, was it pretty good whiskey?
Nate: Shucks, it had to be. That man wadnt nothing but a, he was a perfectionist.
John: Was he?
Nate: Yes, sir.
John: What, what was his name?
Nate: Um, we, Old Man Hunt.
John: Old Man Hunt.
John: He lived in Bluefield or?
Nate: No, he was in Princeton when they got him. He was right down here at Hectors. Hector wadnt living. He was right there at Hectors, right, where his aunt got that house there.
John: Right. The old
Nate: Got a still right up there, and it had a, a still that you, built a fire under then had another one over there run by steam. Goes from here over to there, and when you got him he had 22 hogs up there. I know, I was down there. Twenty-two hogs and
John: And he was feeding, he was feeding the mash, he
Nate: Yeah thats what he
John: was feeding the mash to the hogs?
thats what he made our bread out of, mash. He made our bread out of mash, I stayed up in there for a month before I come out. He bought us shoes, give us a dollar a day, bought us shoes, and all the liquor you could drink, you didnt want no liquor when you was working around a still.
Nate: Yeah, and then, he got caught down here and um, my, that law up Laurel, Akers, he had one finger and he couldnt hear, and it was Gibson and Gibsons boy, Aker's son, oh, it was a bunch of em. They got him, they walked right in on him, and we went up there for awhile, they had him. I, I wadnt up there when they had him but when they told him, these other laws told him, they was all getting liquor up there. He was giving everybody liquor. Laws the law, he was giving it to the law. All but this old man, this old man he, see, he wanted him, and they told him said, "Now, when you, you go down there and go burn that place up," said, "Were turning you loose, you run over that hill then well start to shooting." So he went down there and went to setting fire to burn the still up, they turned him loose and he went right over there to the Tynes house right across the creek.
John: To, to Jack Tynes house there, A.J.?
Nate: Yeah, he went over there cause a lot of Tynes living and I went over there to where he was at and he asked me if Ive got his false teeth, and and a, a brown suit that he had. That was his little building that he set in and when I told him I said, "Yeah, theyve gone." He said, "Come on, lets go back up there." You been back up there to where his little house he stayed in, he just pulled up a flat rock, pulled out a jar of money like that, he said, "The hell with that still," said, "I got what I want." Yeah.
John: And so then he
Nate: And then, and then, when he, he was all over this place, he be right up here in the woods when he couldnt get sugar, he made syr, liquor out of syrup. I wadnt here, and he got caught and so he went to prison, and they told him if he ever come back that was his, that was all he ever done, that if he ever come back said he would gonna give him life, and when he got caught over here at Princeton he, he had him a white girl he was living with when he was, going to jail it was a big Popular tree there he run into it and killed hisself.
John: This is Hunt?
Nate: Hunt, Mr. Hunt. Yeah.
John: Mr. Hunt.
John: Alright, now he, you said he made, he made it out of syrup, you mean molasses?
Nate: He used it. Yeah.
John: Made it out of molasses, cane molasses that you
Nate: Yeah, he used syrup.
John: Well, what kind of whiskey would that be I wonder, I never
Nate: I dont know. I didnt drink none of that. I wadnt here, I was in the army.
Nate: But now he made it, he made it all over here. He was selling a nickel for 25 cents a pint.
John: Ok, so you had, he had a still up there behind the
the Tynes place
Nate: Yeah, and then he had one
and then had one back up here?
Nate: I didnt help him down here, but I helped him up there.
John: And so how long, how, you would work up there for all day and then, and then Arch would go up there and work all night?
Nate: Yeah. But I stayed up in there.
Nate: We stayed up there. See I run it in the daytime, Arch would run it in the night.
John: And you stayed, did you have a little cabin up there or something when you
Nate: Yeah, he had a still house, he had shanty for me and him to stay in, and place to eat.
Nate: Hed do all the cooking. We lived but we lived give us the best of clothes and stuff.
Nate: Yeah, we could see, hed pay my brother to haul wood, drag, cut down a tree and drag it down from up there so people couldnt see the tracks going up in there. Woman down the road here turned me in, so they say. I dont know.
John: Oh, really?
John: So he, well he helped people out in the community and everything, helped them?
Nate: Yeah, good days people up in here, up in here give everybody a drink. Hed give em a quart, half a gallon, whatever they want.
Nate: Everybody liked him. They called him Hunt, and he wanted em to call him Sack, to call him Sack Daddy.
John: Sack Daddy.
Nate: Sack Daddy thats what everybody called him.
John: Now why would he be called Sack Daddy?
Nate: Cause he didnt want the law to know who he was.
John: I see. Oh, yeah.
Nate: He left em up in here, he had two, he left one from up yonder where Fred lived, back up there on that mountain, and he told, told my daddy and brother-in-law that there was a twenty gallon keg of liquor up there, hid in, in a, a bir, birch pile. They went back up there and found it.
John: They did?
John: Well, I guess things were really hopping around there
when that happened. Well, did any, anybody up in here end up having to go to, did you ever, you didnt have to go, did you get in trouble for doing that?
Nate: I got in trouble first time, I went to prison for it too.
John: Oh, you did?
Nate: And it wadnt none of mine neither.
Nate: Yeah, I just went down to, and got a drink. I seen the sheriff. I seen him, when I was there and I got away. And Alec told me to come on back down there with him. I went back down there and no, I didnt go back down there. When I, when the damn law come up the road, we, I got away from there, when I seen em, and I was up here at my sisters, Alec was up there too. We walking down, up the road there, and I, I jumped in, the law drawed a gun on us, yeah, and they didnt need to go back down there, where it was at and they set up there and they run, it wadnt, we didnt start the running, but they run, two gallons of liquor off, and everyone of them laws drink liquor, and got drunk up there, (laughs) except Shup. You know, Shup, use to be the law, the State Police?
John: That was before my time, I think.
John: Everyone except for him?
John: Then you got in trouble?
Nate: Yeah, you know a guy called E.T. Burton?
John: Yeah, yeah.
Nate: E.T. Burton was the law and he was up there drinking it, E.T. Burton take a drink of pint liquor, drink make him go cranky.
John: Then they went and sent yall off to prison.
Nate: Yeah, but, but he didnt give me but eight months. He knowed it wadnt none of mine.
Nate: He give me time cause I wouldnt tell. He give that other guy, that other guy went to the penitentiary. I didnt go nowhere but down here at the ????? Thats where I went at
down here, down here, down here where the prison, womens prison is.
John: Uuhhh, I dont know where that is.
Nate: Yeah, you know down here where they got these womens prisons, we, I didnt go up there, but some of them went up there to do the heavy work, for them women, and um, he told me he said, "If you wanna slip off, wadnt no, I wadnt over no gun."
Nate: Told me if I wanted to slip off, now, he said, " heres the way to go, then dont go that-a-way," said, "cause its dug its maganese
Nate: said, "it big deep holes out there, and fill up full of water, and theres a lid over top of em," said, "youll get killed." Yeah, told us, "If you wanna leave," said, "you, thats the way to", told us which way to go, and then they moved, they go tear that place out, they moved me from down there at the Greenville, South Carolina, I went right through Bluefield on the bus, seen my, nephew working over there on the railroad.
John: Did you?
Nate: Didnt have but about two or three months and I went down there and I told em I said, "Im tired of laying around. Give me something to do." He said, "Do you wanna work?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "Well, sir, Ill find you something to do in a day or two." Then he come up there and seen me, he said, "Can you control yourself around women?" I said, "Yeah, all I wanna do is get away from here, pull my time and get away from here." He said, "Im gonna put you on the golf course," and he said, now, "Its a woman, is what a, is there for us, that, where we was at, and he said, it was a Major there and he had, he had a wife, she said, "Dont you speak to her unless she speak to you," said, "Im not saying it cause you colored, but she got a white guy in trouble right now cause he spoke to her," and I said, "All I wanna do is to get away from here," and I went down there and went to work and I was working, they was, a lot of hours finding me, I had 50 acres. There was a regular sand trap, had a rake, a dead log, that was as light as a feather, and um, when my daddy died, they went, they come and got me in, the corporal asked me said, "Charles, what have you done?" I said, "I aint did nothing," I said, "My daddys dead and I know it," and when I got up there and he asked me, he said, "Sit down, Ill be with you in a minute." I said, "I know whats wrong," I said, "My daddys dead." He said, "How do you know?" I said, "I know he was gonna die." He said, "Do you want the day off?" I said, "No, Ill go on back out on the job," and they asked me did I wanna come in. I at first said "Yeah," and then come to figuring it up 90 dollars for the guard, and I said, "Huh- I dont wanna go." My sister and them was gonna send me the money, to come and I told em I didnt wanna go.
John: This is in, in Greenville, South Carolina?
Wadnt no law, wadnt no gun or nothing with me down there, going down there, with two white guys that, a guy got out of his car at a service station, we stopped for something, and thats when them two white guys said, "Looky yonder, that guy left them keys in that car," said, "Boy," said, "if we was out of here, what would we do?" When they got up there where we stopped at, the man was there with the gun, handcuffed em and carried em right to Georgia."
Nate: Yeah. Yeah.
John: How about that.
Nate: Yes, sir. Now, you didnt nickname nobody down there. You did, they, they turn you, you gone from down there. Send you right up to Georgia.
John: So that was, so that was a pretty good place you were at, I guess?
John: I guess there were a lot worse places that youd have to go, huh.
Nate: Yeah, thats, they had guns on them, they didnt have a gun on me down here. The only time you seen a gun when they would take you to a prison up in Georgia.
Nate: Yeah, we would have our clothes clean, they got ready to call, to call my name, and they asked me did I have any clothes? I said, "Yeah, I got a suit," and they went and got me suit, and it wadnt pressed, they made a guy take that suit to up there and have it pressed. Yeah, thats the only guy that give me any trouble. His name was Shulor, and I asked him when was these other guys gonna come down there. He wouldnt say nothing.
John: Well, were you, were you glad to get back home?
Nate: No, I, I, I asked him when was these other guys gonna move from down there, down there and we, I, I, I called him. I dont know what I called him, um, Ms., Laurie or something, he said, "My name is Mr. Shulor," I said, " Well, I dont know what your name," I said, "I just telling you what the Captain told me to call you," and he left me on the job and he told me, said, "Ill be back," said, um, "I gotta take these men in," and when they got ready to, to check, I wadnt there. He had those men come back to shoot me, I know what he was aiming to do, but when he come back I was gone, and I come in, I went up right by this, this here guard there at the gate and I told him what happened. I went up there to the Captain, and, and told the Captain, and they called him in, wanting to know why he leading me out there. Yeah,
he left me out there, he was, he was a mean dude.
John: So, you got to come home from there then?
Nate: After my daddy, after my time was up, they give me give me some money, and I got that money come on up there and, and Laurie, that, that man told me said, "Im supposed to stay with you," said, "but I aint. Im going back." When he turned his back I went and got me a pint of liquor, liquor was right down there, come on in to Bluefield. (laughs)
John: (laughs) So, I guess you were, you were glad to get back?
John: Alright, so after all that did, did, did people quit making liquor up here? After all that trouble?
Nate: No, they, they kept on making it.
John: Oh, they did?
Nate: Yeah, they kept on making it, but now they dont make it on account of these helicopters.
Nate: Yeah. Last one was made up here with, in, Whiteville, well this one was a white man too, it was some white folks right up the road, I mean they had the still up there, up, the end of the road,
and I was in the army then. I come home on the furlough, took 56 sticks of dynamite to blow that thing up. Yeah, and they, they had concrete cinder blocks and everything, women. Women back there and men, they tell me it was a girl that the law went and got by her, and this here girl had a 33, I believe, Ford, they had her blocked in, they went on up there, she was out in the woods, she come back there and knocked them, them cars out of gear, run em over the bank, said she went out from in here, buddy they didnt get her neither.
John: She got away?
Nate: Yeah, yeah she got away.
John: These were some white folks that went back in there?
John: Well, did anybody up in here work with em?
Nate: Yeah, well, end of the house, end of the road up there
was a guy I think, um, they had a stash, theyd bring some liquor down there, Wagons son, they would bring liquor down there, theyd, theyd give you liquor. My brother-in-law knowed em and one of em, they went and got after, he had a 33 Ford, and the sheriff would go on up, up Laurel, by the nursing home and when they, they, they got after him, they found him, he wrecked that, that car and setting up in there with a cigar in his mouth, killed him. Happy, Happy was his name.
Nate: Happy was them people name up there, one of em, he was the head man,
John: Ill tell ya, thats pretty wild.
John: Do, do you remember when they had the um, when they had the dance hall down here on the Ferguson place and all that?
John: What was that like?
Nate: That was good, that was good. That there where I lost my wife at, and, and I, and I had laughed, she left me too.
John: Well, how did, how did, how did you lose your wife down there?
Nate: She wadnt nothing to start with. I just thought she was. And she run off with three of four men and I had the household there,
John: Yeah, so there was dancing and everything down there and I guess uh
how many people would be down there at one time?
Nate: Man, that place would be full.
Nate: Yeah. Yeah, it would be full.
John: And where would they all
Nate: There were two people, Fred Brunalow had it once, the first one, the guy left and he sold it. Was, two, three people had it.
Nate: And then it just went out of business. he got, he was, that guy up there was making liquor right up there on the side of the road and I got, I got caught. I didnt wanna go down there, I was working back yonder on that mountain. He come up to me to help him to run that liquor. He done got some sugar and carried it down there, you couldnt tell him nothing. Had it one time right at Freds spring up there. Fred told him to move it. (laughs) Yeah.
John: And this was
Nate: Alley McClenerham, that was Freds brot, son-in-law.
John: Ooohhh, ok.
Nate: And he just died here, aint been very long ago up in Washington. His wife just left him yest, yesterday.
John: Daughter, ok, alright. Well, can you think of anything else youd like to?
Nate: No, I dont know
John: Are you sure?
John: Oh, you know all kinds of stuff. I might come back up
here and talk to you again. Um, well, I ha, certainly have enjoyed talking to you and its I have to ask you a few more things here. It says usually anthropologists in their reports dont use the names of the people that they talk to. Would it matter if your name was used?
Nate: No, it doent matter.
Nate: I aint said nothing I couldnt tell.
John: I know.
Nate: Everybody up here knowed it, I, I, it was just like a job on the railroad you didnt take out no social security.
John: Unemployment insurance.
Nate: Yeah, heck, yeah.
transcript by Shanda Ball(rghs 2000)
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